Line Shopper Lukas

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Seeing the Jays posted at 83.5 wins across most offshore books, with the over juiced to -125. That feels high considering the Guerrero Jr. contract mess hanging over the clubhouse.

Vlad's camp rejected the 8-year/

Writing this up because I keep getting asked privately and the answer's longer than a DM.

Going to lay out the workflow I actually use — not the polished version, the messy one. Where the EV is, where the trap is, what to skip. Take what's useful, push back where you disagree. This is the kind of thread that gets sharper the more people contribute, so don't be shy if you've got a different read.

00M extension in November, and now we're looking at a potential trade deadline fire sale if they're not competing by July. Team chemistry took a hit last season when the front office leaked those lowball offer details to the media.

The numbers don't add up

Even if Guerrero stays healthy and productive, the rotation behind Gausman is shaky. Berríos regressed to a 5.2 ERA after the All-Star break, and they're banking on Bassitt bouncing back at age 35.

The AL East got stronger with Baltimore's pitching additions and Boston's bullpen upgrades. I'm seeing value on the under at 83.5, especially with the distraction factor.

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You're overthinking the contract drama. Guerrero's a professional - he hit .264/.396/.544 in September when trade rumors were at their peak. The real issue is the bullpen depth behind Romano, not clubhouse chemistry.

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Had a similar read on the Jays last March when I was tracking their spring training splits. Put $400 on the under at 84.5 and watched them collapse in August when the Guerrero extension talks leaked to Sportsnet.

The front office dysfunction is real - Ross Atkins basically admitted they lowballed Vlad to "maintain payroll flexibility" for other moves that never materialized. Meanwhile, Bichette's also entering his walk year, so you've got two franchise cornerstones playing with zero long-term security.

I'm backing the under again this season, but shopping around for the best number. MyStake had 83.5 at even money yesterday, which beats the -125 juice elsewhere. Their MLB futures market tends to move slower than the sharp books, so there's often value in the first few weeks of posting.

The AL East is a meat grinder this year. Even 83 wins might not be enough for a wild card spot with how loaded Tampa and Baltimore look on paper.

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Been following the Jays since the Carter days, and this feels like 2017 all over again - talented roster, management uncertainty, and expectations that don't match the on-field reality.

That 83.5 number assumes health from Springer (34 years old, injury history), production from Kiermaier in center, and no regression from Gausman coming off a career year. Too many variables for my liking.

The Guerrero situation is the wild card. If they trade him at the deadline, you're looking at a 70-win team in the second half. But even if he stays, the distraction factor is real - remember how the Lindor contract drama affected Cleveland's 2020 season?

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Ran the numbers on Jays projected WAR vs their win total, and there's definitely some inflation built in. Their position player group projects to about 22-24 WAR, rotation around 12-14 WAR, which historically translates to 79-82 wins in the AL East.

The market might be overvaluing their 2022 playoff run and underweighting last season's second-half collapse. They went 15-25 after the trade deadline when teams started pitching around Guerrero with less protection in the lineup.

Tonybet posted the under 83.5 at +105 this morning, which represents solid value given my projections. Their MLB odds tend to be sharper than some of the recreational-focused books.

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Love the under here. Jays always disappoint when expectations are high - it's the Toronto curse! Plus Guerrero's going to be pressing all season knowing it's his contract year.

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Whatever side you take, keep your unit size reasonable on season-long futures. Six months is a long time for variance to play out, and even sharp handicappers hit under 60% on these markets. The Guerrero drama adds another layer of uncertainty that's tough to quantify.

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The 22-24 WAR projection from @vancoververgas is generous considering their lineup construction. Guerrero's going to see nothing but sliders away when pitchers know he's pressing for that

50M+ payday. Same thing happened with Lindor in his walk year before the Mets deal.

AL East is a meat grinder this year - Yankees added Soto, Orioles have another year of development, and even the Red Sox aren't rolling over. Jays need 85+ wins just to stay relevant in that division, and their bullpen depth behind Romano is still questionable after the Jordan Hicks experiment failed.