torontotipster

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Books still have Raptors playoff odds sitting at +850 across the board, but the Siakam trade chatter is getting louder every day. ESPN dropped that piece yesterday about Indiana and Sacramento both making calls, and now the Athletic is saying Toronto's front office is "actively listening" to offers.

The math doesn't add up here. If Siakam gets moved before the February 8th deadline, those playoff odds should be closer to +1500 or worse. The guy's averaging 22.2 PPG and 6.3 rebounds - you don't replace that production mid-season.

Current situation:

  • Raptors sitting 12th in East at 15-22
  • Need to jump 4 teams for play-in spot
  • Siakam's expiring contract worth
7.9M
  • Trade deadline 18 days away
  • Anyone else seeing value on the over here before the books wake up? Or am I missing something about Toronto's depth that makes this less of a disaster than it looks on paper?

    calgarycaller

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    You're chasing bad odds on a team that's already cooked. Raptors were long shots at +850 even WITH Siakam healthy and producing. Look at their schedule - they've got Lakers, Celtics, and Nuggets in the next 10 games. Even if Siakam stays, they're not making up 4 spots in 45 games.

    maritimemike

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    Had a similar situation back in 2019 when the Gasol trade rumors were swirling around Memphis. Books were slow to adjust the Grizzlies' win total, and I got burned thinking I was being clever. The difference here is Toronto's not just trading a role player - Siakam IS their offense.

    Watched their game against Miami last week, and without Pascal on the floor, they couldn't generate anything consistent. Barnes is still learning, Anunoby's been in and out with injuries, and their bench scoring is bottom-5 in the league. If Masai pulls the trigger on a Siakam deal, you're looking at a team that might not crack 25 wins total.

    That said, BetOnline had some interesting props on total wins under 32.5 at +140 last I checked. Might be the safer play if you're convinced the trade happens.

    vancoververgas

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    Ran the numbers on this yesterday and the market's actually pricing in about a 35% chance Siakam gets moved based on the playoff odds differential between Toronto and teams like Detroit (+1200) and Charlotte (+1400) who have similar records but less trade uncertainty.

    Here's what's interesting: Raptors' net rating with Siakam on court is +2.1, but drops to -8.4 when he sits. That's a 10.5 point swing per 100 possessions. For context, the difference between a playoff team and lottery team is typically around 6-8 points per 100.

    The real kicker is their remaining strength of schedule - they have the 8th toughest remaining slate according to Basketball Reference. Teams ahead of them in the standings (Miami, Atlanta, Brooklyn) all have easier paths. Even if Toronto keeps Siakam, they're fighting uphill.

    I'm actually leaning toward the under on their season win total (currently 32.5 at most books) rather than trying to time the playoff odds. The math just doesn't support a playoff push even in the best case scenario.

    QuebecQuestion

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    Sorry for the newbie question, but how do these trade rumors actually affect the odds? Like, do the books adjust them as soon as news breaks, or do they wait for official confirmation? And if I place a bet now at +850 and Siakam gets traded tomorrow, does my bet still count at those odds?

    calgarycrushmore

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    This reminds me of the Kyle Lowry situation a couple years back when Miami trade talks were heating up. I was tracking the odds movement across different books for about two weeks, and the interesting thing was how they moved in waves rather than all at once.

    First, you'd see the playoff odds drift slightly (maybe +850 to +900), then the player props would shift (Siakam's scoring average, rebounds, etc.), and finally the season win totals would catch up. The books don't want to be the first to make a big move based on rumors, but they also don't want to be the last one holding terrible odds.

    What caught my attention was checking MyStake this morning - they've already bumped Toronto's win total down to 31.5 while most other places are still at 32.5. That tells me the sharps are already moving money on the under, probably because they're getting inside info about trade discussions.

    The play here isn't necessarily the playoff odds at +850 - it's finding the books that haven't adjusted their props yet and hitting the unders before everyone else catches up. I've been tracking about 8 different books, and there's still some value in the individual player markets if you know where to look.

    northernnickel

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    Market's efficient enough these days. If there was real value at +850, it'd be gone already. Raptors were a longshot before the trade talk, they're still a longshot after. Save your bankroll for something with actual edge.

    torontotiltmaster

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    @northernnickel you're dead wrong about the +850 being properly priced. I've been tracking this line across six different books since the Shams tweet dropped Tuesday, and there's a 40-point spread between the tightest and loosest odds right now. MyStake is still hanging +890 while the mainstream books already moved to +820.

    The Lowry comparison doesn't work either — that was late season with Miami actually needing a veteran PG. This Siakam noise is pure speculation from agents trying to drive up his extension price. Raptors aren't moving their best player mid-season for draft picks when they're only 3.5 games out of the play-in.

    7.9M
  • Trade deadline 18 days away
  • Anyone else seeing value on the over here before the books wake up? Or am I missing something about Toronto's depth that makes this less of a disaster than it looks on paper?