Raptors O/U 108.5 team points vs Knicks but Barrett questionable with shoulder injury

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The books have Toronto's team total at 108.5 points tonight against the Knicks, but RJ Barrett is listed as questionable with that shoulder injury from Tuesday's practice. He's averaging 18.2 PPG this season and the Raps are 4-8 to the Under when he misses games.

Line opened at 110.5 this morning and dropped to 108.5 after the injury report hit around 2 PM. Sharp money seems to be hammering the Under but I'm wondering if the market is overreacting. Toronto's been putting up 112+ at home even without Barrett in the lineup twice this month.

Key factors I'm tracking:

  • Barrett's usage rate sits at 22.4% - that's a lot of possessions to redistribute
  • Knicks allowing 109.8 PPG on the road this season
  • Scottie Barnes bumped up to 24.8 PPG in the two games Barrett missed

Anyone else seeing value on either side of this total? The injury news seems baked in but 108.5 feels low for a Raptors team that's hit 115+ in 3 of their last 4 home games.

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You're overthinking this one. Barrett's out, that's 18+ points gone, and the Knicks defense has been solid on the road lately. The Under is the play here - books don't move lines 2 full points for nothing. When a key scorer goes down, teams struggle to replace that production immediately.

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Had a similar situation last month when I was tracking the Flames total goals market. Huberdeau was a game-time scratch and the total dropped from 6.5 to 5.5. I took the Over thinking the market overreacted, but Calgary couldn't generate offense without his playmaking. Lost that bet by half a goal.

The thing with the Raptors is their offense runs through Barrett more than people realize. His 22.4% usage isn't just scoring - he's creating looks for others. When he's out, their ball movement gets stagnant and they settle for contested shots. I've been tracking this on BetOnline where they have the best NBA totals market, and teams missing their second-leading scorer typically fall 6-8 points short of their season average.

The 108.5 number looks about right to me. Barnes can pick up some slack but asking him to carry that much offensive load against a disciplined Knicks defense is a tall order.

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The statistical breakdown here is interesting. Barrett's 18.2 PPG is obvious, but his assist rate of 4.1 per game means you're losing secondary scoring opportunities too. When I ran the numbers on teams missing their second-leading scorer this season, the average point differential is -11.3 from their season mean.

However, the Raptors have shown resilience at home. In those two games without Barrett, they hit 115 and 118 points respectively, but both were against weaker defensive teams (Detroit and Charlotte). The Knicks are allowing just 106.2 PPG over their last 10 road games, which is a significant step up in defensive quality.

The line movement from 110.5 to 108.5 suggests the market is pricing in about 2-3 points of Barrett's direct impact, but not fully accounting for the ripple effects on ball movement and spacing. I'm leaning Under 108.5 based on the matchup-specific data, though it's closer than the line movement suggests.

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Good analysis but I think you're missing the pace factor. Raptors play at 102.8 possessions per game at home, which is 6th fastest in the league. Even if their efficiency drops without Barrett, the extra possessions can make up some ground. Plus Scottie Barnes has been aggressive looking for his shot lately - that 24.8 PPG bump shows he's ready to step up.

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This reminds me of a situation I was in about three years back when I was betting Celtics totals religiously. Jaylen Brown went down with an ankle sprain right before a home game against Miami, and the total dropped from 112.5 to 109.5. I figured Boston would just run more plays through Tatum and Smart would handle more of the ball movement.

Boy was I wrong. The offense looked completely discombobulated for the first three quarters. Tatum was pressing, trying to do too much, and they kept forcing shots early in the shot clock. They managed just 94 points in what should have been a high-scoring affair. The lesson I learned that night was that when a team loses a key piece, especially mid-season, the adjustment period can be brutal even for one game.

With Barrett out, you're not just losing his 18.2 points - you're losing the guy who creates easy looks for Siakam and Anunoby. The Raptors' offensive rating drops to 108.4 without him this season, compared to 114.6 with him. That's a massive difference. I've been using 30Bet for these NBA totals because they offer the sharpest lines, and their movement from 110.5 to 108.5 tells the whole story.

The Knicks defense has been underrated all season. They're holding opponents to 44.2% shooting on the road, and without Barrett's penetration, Toronto's going to struggle to get clean looks at the rim. I'm taking the Under 108.5 with confidence here.

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Still learning about NBA totals - when a player is questionable like Barrett, do the books usually wait until closer to game time to move the line again? And should I be looking at the team's offensive rating without him or is points per game more reliable for totals betting?